207. Womb Wisdom & Divine Feminine Power With Vanessa Grace
207. Womb Wisdom & Divine Feminine Power with Vanessa Grace
In this radiant episode, Vanessa Grace returns to the podcast to guide us into the sacred, sensual world of womb wisdom, yoni steaming, and divine feminine healing. It’s not just a conversation—it’s a reclamation.
Main Takeaways:
🌹 Vanessa shares how working with Mary Magdalene as a spiritual guide transformed her connection to the divine feminine.
🩸 She reveals the literal portal to divinity within the womb—and how this energetic center connects directly to the heart via a golden thread.
🧘♀️ We explore pelvic steaming as an ancient, globally-practiced healing method that clears trauma, restores radiance, and nourishes your cycle.
💔 The conversation unpacks the subtle and not-so-subtle traumas stored in the womb space—from cultural shame to cosmetic surgeries—and how self-forgiveness becomes a powerful medicine.
🔥 Kayla vulnerably shares a personal story she’s never told on air before—offering a tender gateway for others to reclaim their bodies and rewrite their stories.
Embodied Activation:
Vanessa invites you to try a simple yet potent practice: place your hands in a triangle over your womb, breathe, and say:
"Hi, love. I'm here now. I'm listening."
Then wait. Feel. Let the golden thread of connection rise between your womb and heart. Let your own wisdom whisper.
Final Reflection:
This episode is an altar. A portal. A place to remember what you’ve always known—your body is not broken. Your womb is not a burden. You are not too much. You are sacred.
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Transcript:
Kayla: Vanessa Grace, welcome back to the Embodied Writing Warrior Podcast.
Vanessa: Thank you so much.
Kayla: Thank you for making a return appearance. So you were on the show years ago and it was still Slay and Thrive. We did a powerful episode about cycle sinking, which is such an important topic for women.
Everywhere. And now your work has really evolved and deepened and that was why I was so excited to have you back on the show so you can share what you've been up to.
Vanessa: Yes, there have been a lot of evolutions happening.
Kayla: So why don't you take us through a little bit of the evolutionary storyline of cycle sinking.
You did work with codependency. You've done work with helping people find their radiance, and now again, there's been this really cool evolution. I'd love you to share.
Vanessa: Yeah, so, I don't really remember exactly when it started, but I started working with Mary Magdalene as a spirit guide and, I had new spirit guides show up, and I didn't really understand why they were there or what their purpose was. Not like I didn't believe they were there for good, but I was like, I don't know why you're here. I'm just gonna let you hang out over there. I don't really like, they weren't really, I.
Conveying who they were. And then one day, one of them suddenly revealed herself to be Mary Magdalene. And I was like, oh. And it was like she was waiting for me to figure something out. She was waiting for me to have some sort of moment, which I had.
An understanding aha, an aha moment. Like, oh, and I get it now. And then she was like, oh, I marry Magdalene. And I was like, say what? Now what? And so then we started having conversations and it started deepening my relationship with the divine feminine, which is what Mary Magdalene is here to do.
She's connecting with lots of. Feminine based people all over the globe helping to bring the divine feminine essence back to the earth. And she's not really pointing to herself. She's pointing to lots of different elements of the divine feminine. She's helping people bring themselves back to their womb and to other practices related to the divine feminine.
She just has a lot of practices and it, I mean, I'm still on the path and I'm like, wow, it connects to this, it connects to that if, and there's so much symbolism in it. There's dragon symbolism, there's rose symbolism. I mean, it can go on and on and on. And I, I essentially feel like a beginner, even though I've been learning about the divine feminine for like five or six years now.
I feel like a beginner because everything that I've been learning got me to this point with her. Where I now joined, some sort of level where I'm like, oh, now I understand enough where I can be in a temple, is kind of what it feels like.
And now I'm like, oh, I'm in the temple. And now that I'm maybe in this temple, just as an analogy, I feel like I don't know anything. And that's maybe one of the storylines that's happening. There's probably a dozen other storylines of the evolution, and so I just talk about Mary Magdalene like a fuck ton Now.
Kayla: I love that. And I think that even just acknowledging you're in the mystery is very divine, feminine, priestess level, right?
Vanessa: Yeah. Yeah. And I also, i'm gonna share another story, if that's fine. Sure. So sometime over the last, I don't know, 12 to 18 months, I started getting this inkling that I was supposed to kind of tear out this like crafting area that I had, that I had installed in the house that we live in right now.
And it's the room I'm recording this in 'cause I have like a whole room that's like. My office crafting room, blah, blah, blah. And it was like this gargantuan desk and I had installed one of the shelving system that like bolts to the walls that like hangs on the wall. And I had like done it all myself and like got it from Home Depot and like, rah, I'm doing it.
And I kept feeling like I was supposed to pull it out, but it would only come to me like every few months. And then I would be like, gosh, that seems really intimidating. Nevermind. And then I would just push it away. Because I didn't know what it would mean in terms of like scrapbooking and that's a lot of stuff.
And then in June it came in super strong. And then I was like, oh, okay. I guess I, I better figure this out. And I just decided to go with it and accept that it was gonna happen and that I needed to do it and I was gonna pull it all out.
And then that night I was shown all these visions of what the office, 'cause it's my office and my craft room was supposed to look like. And really, I hadn't been doing crafting at that desk. It had just been the place where I dumped shit that I didn't know where else it was gonna end up in my house.
'cause it was like this six foot long table. So it was just like, things just end up there because it's a long surface. It's where the homeless things go. So I wasn't really using it for anything. It was the dead zone. So I had this imaginary idea that I was gonna end up crafting again, but really my creativity had been funneled into non-physical items.
Which was in my business, creating services rather than scrapbooking and paper stuff. So I was channeling my creativity there. Anyway, that night I was shown how I was supposed to transform my office into a temple, which I then began the process of doing, and that's the room I'm in right now. So the only thing that remained the same is the desk that I'm sitting at right now, which is tucked into the closet in the room.
Because it's like a bedroom and a house. And so then I pulled out everything and it was a multi-month process, and it's not really done yet, but like, it's the, the temple. I call it the temple. I don't really let anyone in here. Like there's been a few people that have been in here.
I've had friends stay the night at my house and normally the rule would be that they can like change in here and like leave their stuff in here. Or sometimes people had even slept in here when it was my office, but I just left the door closed and everyone kind of knew they just needed to go change in the bathroom.
Once since I've had guests and it was just like, these are like my best friends that I'm like, no, no one's coming in here. So it makes me
Kayla: wish we had a video podcast. Maybe I should start using YouTube one of these days because you have this beautiful space, like there's flowers in the background, your book's hanging up there.
I can't stop looking at that honestly, 'cause it's, very aesthetically pleasing. You've got a little jewel tree, in the background.
Vanessa: It's one of those like lit trees that you see that like lights up. The ones that are like a foot and a half tall. And honestly, the books on the wall and this little tree thing that she's talking about, those, those were there when it was in office.
Like that whole wall is the same, but the little flowers and everything that she's talking about, that was all added. As part, part of my altar and all of that stuff as part of my altar wall because of Mary Magdalene and the Rose Codes, which is the rose codes. It's a bunch of goddesses that all lead to the divine feminine, and so suddenly like roses were everywhere in my life and I was drawn to roses and like people were wanting to gift to me like rose based essential oils and stuff.
Kayla: Amazing. The synchronicities that can happen when you are. On the path, and one thing I would love for you to share more about is this idea of womb healing because I know that one of the things that you talk about is women are connected to divinity through their wombs, but we've been Yes. Like systematically severed from this source of power.
So healing this area is so important. So I would love for you to share your thoughts on that.
Vanessa: Yes. Okay. I feel like I don't even know where to start, so I just feel like I have to, like center myself by holding my heart for a moment. It feels so big and important. I mean, ultimately the big news is that our.
Womb space, our uterus essentially has a portal at the center of it that connects us to divinity. And when that portal is open, like divine love can flow through. And I've actually experienced that, which feels amazing. It, spontaneously happened one day over the summer when I was doing a bunch of other, spiritual energy work practices and I was like, oh, whoa, this is happening.
This feels amazing. This is what it feels like. And it was like originating from my womb space and I was like, oh my gosh, it's happening. I didn't think I was ready. So. It happened before I thought it would. And it was really beautiful. And then I was able to channel that into something that could be used for good.
Like I knew what I was supposed to do with it in that moment.
The portal to the Divine is like your ability to connect directly to source. To divinity. You don't have to go through some. Outside source. None of us have to go through an outside source to connect to divinity or God if that's, or goddess, whatever word. You know, whatever language people are using.
And I think that there's, I mean there's been so much dogma around how to sever people from their direct connection, from divinity, in a variety of ways. And I think. Just in modern culture, there is so much language around how gross our womb space is. Like how many people even touch their own vulva, just innocently, other than for sexual purposes or for washing?
Kayla: Not many, I would say.
Vanessa: Right, and so like. Anyone listening, if you just have a quiet moment with yourself, if you were to just like place your hand on your vulva, either over a pair of underwear or just like bare skin to bare skin and there's no intention other just being like, Hey girl, I'm just connecting with you.
I'm not trying to arouse you. I'm not trying to like berate you for not being the way I need you to be. I'm just saying, Hey, like let's connect. And I even feel emotional in my throat like crying. And that's like who connects with themselves in that way. And I mean, we should be connected to ourselves.
We really should be. I don't even do this practice enough. Really, I'm still connecting to myself more. I really think that we teach what we're supposed to learn. I have so much work to do with connecting with my own, genitalia, my own womb space. I still have a lot of sexual shame work to do that I didn't think I needed to do.
'cause it was not like I was told sex was bad, but like there's, I'm realizing there's more and more layers. So like I have a lot of work to do in this and not like, oh, I've got it all figured out. No, I don't. But I think the work is really important. I don't want any of us to have shame about our own bodies, our own vulvas, our own vaginas, our own uterus.
If we can undo layers of that. Then we have more ability to connect to the divinity that's within us. And that's just messaging that's out there about period products and blood is gross and why are you like that? And all of the jokes about smells these are just the things I can think of right now.
I didn't even make a list before this podcast. This is just what I'm thinking of off the top of my head. All of us have the things we've experienced in our lives that have been associated with our own genitalia area, and if I've just brought things up, you're safe in this moment.
Take a deep breath. We're all here together and we're safe. And womb spaces are actually really, really fucking magical. And the reason that it's important to talk about them is because healing work needs to happen so that their magic can be revealed. There's so many layers, like an onion.
There's so many layers of trauma stuff wrapped up around it. And the trauma doesn't have to be the big T traumas that we think the traumas are. It can be this messaging that I've been talking about. It can be that it's gross, the blood is gross. It can just be those layers of things. Being in a female body in a westernized society is rough.
It can be pushing too hard in every area of your life. When you need to rest, if you've listened to the episode that I was on before where I talked about paying attention to your cycle and the four different phases of the cycle, if you've always pushed through your menstrual phase and didn't give yourself time to rest, then you're burnt out probably, and you're probably not feeling as radiant during your ovulatory phase as you could be.
And so you're not. I wouldn't say producing as much, but you're not, 'cause being productive and producing isn't necessarily the point of the ovulation phase, but it's more about like, being outward focused and being attractive and magnetic and radiant and being like opulent and, you know, like feeling lux.
Is almost what it's about. And then it all just happens. And so it's like you're not rising as high in that like luxe wet feeling during ovulation if you are burnt out all the time from never being able to rest. And so just if you're not allowing yourself to be different during the different parts of your menstrual phases, that can really mess with you.
Anything that you can do to heal the different kinds of traumas that you have in your womb space is gonna help to deepen the healing work and the ability to access the power of your womb and the wisdom that she has to share with you, because it's going to feel like the deepest wisdom you've ever accessed.
Like where did the steep wisdom come from?
Kayla: Thank you so much for sharing all of this, and I think you're right. A lot of people just think of big T traumas, but with the womb space especially, there's so many other things that can go on, and this is something I've never admitted on the show, but. Back when I was a young , 20 something year old.
I actually went under the knife in that area. 'cause I thought that it didn't look the way it was supposed to look.
Vanessa: Oh yeah. And I never
Kayla: thought of that as a trauma. But then I worked with another mentor and I told her that. And she's like, oh my goodness. And, and it was seen as a trauma to her when I hadn't thought of it that way.
But hearing you speak about this. And doing some of this learning on my own as well. It makes me realize it was a big trauma and I think it's a, it's also a trauma for any woman who sees that area of themself and compares it to what they might have seen in adult movies or whatever it might be. Mm-hmm.
And even that judgment and that shame that might cause a woman to even want to have that surgery can be. Such a big thing. So for women who have experienced the judgment, maybe went under the knife themself, maybe had, yeah, any number of different traumas like this. What are some of the ways they can begin healing that relationship with the womb and communicating with her more?
Vanessa: I think that just acknowledging that the choices that all of us made at the time was the best choice that we made at that time, because that's what we needed at that time for who we were then and who we are now is like, oh, we're different now. But that's really what I needed at that moment. And there was no may for me to know what I know now then like it wasn't possible.
And so how. How would I have known like there culturally, there? Culturally there would've been no way, like the culture wasn't even evolved enough for any of us to have known the information that I'm talking about now. I don't know. Five or 10 years ago, like, I don't know the timeline of this story for you or for anybody else's, like individual experiences that they're thinking of right now, but like the timeline of the information that is evolving that I'm sharing is like so fast and so recent
the bandwidth at which it, it is expanding and flowing out into the world is so fast that it really was very minuscule even a decade ago. And so I think gentleness and compassion and self-forgiveness are really, really important for any of these past choices. And it was just like so much deep programming.
So much deep programming exists and we were just living off of that, and there's so much evolution happening in other ways that we're like, oh, okay, well how can I love myself now and how can I love who I was in that moment and how can I love exactly who I am today? You know, because it's okay to love every single version of myself.
And it's okay if you can't love those versions yet, because that's also loving yourself. But then like, okay, what is happening that I'm struggling to love each version of myself? If we're trying to be like perfect in that love at every moment, but then judging ourselves for it, like that's also not giving ourselves grace and compassion.
And these are also messages for me, like, 'cause I'm imperfect with loving every version of myself. Like, I'm a perfectionist. So I struggle with these things too. But I think it's important to work towards this because I do believe that self-love is important. But I have stuff come up and I'm like, okay, more things to do.
So I think that's part of it. But then in terms of like specific work that we can do with our womb space, I wanna get into that rather than just it all being about thought work. So there's a million different things you can do, but I'm just gonna go through some of them. And I'm not gonna get super into the details because I actually have some of these on my podcast and you can go find the episodes where I talk about them in detail on my podcast.
And then in my podcast I actually reference people who are like specialists in these things. So if you follow the thread, you will find the people who know what's up. One of them is called pelvic steaming or yoni steaming. Yoni is the word for the entire reproductive area for the feminine, but it's called pelvic steaming because you don't have to have feminine, reproductive organs to do this.
It's for everybody. Pelvic steaming is basically warming up water. Then you can add specific herbs to it for what your specific body needs, but that would require a pelvic steaming practitioner or for you to be a specialist. Now, I will say you cannot just go out and pelvic steam without doing some research first.
So don't do that. You have to learn some stuff first, and then go do it. For yourself. Probably don't do it with herbs the first time. If you're doing it just on your own, you need a pelvic steaming practitioner if you're gonna do it with herbs, because you could do weird things.
It's basically like warming up water. You boil it and then you let it rest for a few minutes. And if you can like run your hand over the steam and your hand is fine, then you're good to go and you basically like. Put it down like on the floor or. Next to a chair, and you undress from the waist down.
You have on a big old flowy skirt, or you wrap a big old blanket around yourself and you're basically sit in one cheek on a chair and hanging your vulva over this like bowl of water so that the steam can go over your vulva. Now, there are special chairs for this. I actually have a chair. It's called like a yoni steaming chair.
So you just, like the chair just has a big old circle cut in it. And so you can just sit with your legs open and then it can just, the steam can just come up and it feels very pleasant and very gentle. And the practice helps warm everything and it helps move everything. And so medically it helps to.
Move things that need to move. It helps warm blood if things need to exit. It helps things move down and out if there's been menstrual problems. And then energetically it can help with kind of like purging things energetically, if there's. Things that need to energetically leave from exes or from traumas.
The first few times I did this, I was like wiped out afterwards. Like I was just kind of like done for the day and I would have to go lay down on the bed and nap. Like I had just had an energy healing session that was really intense and I was like, oh fuck, I'm done for the day, like I'm out. And so you may feel really energetically wiped out after you do.
Even 10 minutes over a steam, a steam pot. Mm-hmm. And so really don't do more than five or 10 minutes when you first begin and have the steam be kind of light 'cause you don't know what's okay for you. And I think I have found the best woman to follow and learn from is Steamy Chick and she's on Instagram and she has a website and the website educates other people.
And so you can go just learn. So I'm gonna pause for a second and see if you have questions that I think you're like burning on your face.
Kayla: Well, I am curious in terms of, since you are so well versed with the menstrual cycle as well, are there best parts of your cycle to be doing a practice like this?
Vanessa: Don't do it while you're menstruating. Okay. If you are trying to get pregnant, don't do it after your ovulation because the practice, yoni steaming, pelvic steaming is trying to pull things down and out. So if you're trying to get pregnant, it's trying to pull down and out, and if you're trying to get pregnant, right?
So if you're trying to get pregnant, do it after you're done menstruating, but before you ovulate. And if you're not trying to get pregnant, then just don't do it during menstruation. And then sometimes doing it like the week before you menstruate helps loosen up everything that is getting ready to release so that your period will go better.
Sometimes if you do it like the day before, it should start. Sometimes it can kickstarted.
Kayla: And I could imagine that being a very pleasant practice to do in a luteal premenstrual phase anyways, because you need to start winding down and slowing down and doing things that are nourishing.
So I can see that being a great time for it.
Vanessa: Yes, there should be. Warm socks on your feet. That big skirt or that blanket you have around you is to trap all the steam, like the bottom half of your body is in a sauna. So you're basically doing like a face steam before hot mama down below, you know? Yes.
Like, mm. She's getting a facial. And it feels really good. And then also a practice I like to do, which I don't do frequently enough, in all honesty. Is to do it a day or two after your period is done. And this is especially good if you have heavy periods.
Or like you're in, you're trying to fix your period is you can do it a day or two after your period is done, and then it will maybe help clear out any excess blood that is still there. And so then if you have had a heavy period or sometimes have clots. And then you steam a day or two after your period is done, after the steam is done, maybe just put a pad in for the rest of the day to catch the blood.
So that if more comes out after the steam that you've caught the blood. And then just to see if it happens. 'cause I've done that and more has come out. My period is healthier now because of a bunch of different things that I've done. And there's just a million other ways to use it. I mean, you can do it once a week, but those are, are just a couple ways to help it. With the period itself,
Kayla: I could see that doing that on a consistent basis, at least once a week during your cycle, would lead to much mild.
More mild and peaceful periods. For sure.
Vanessa: And also just, I mean, don't do it while you're pregnant. Absolutely do not. Also it can be used to help induce labor, but only do that with a pelvic steaming practitioner who specifically is trained and helping to induce labor. It can also be very, very helpful with postpartum.
And there's a, usually like a regimented plan that a postpartum steaming practitioner can do. But again, she has to be specifically trained in that and it can help, expedite how quickly everything is healed. Women have been using steaming for, pelvic everything all across the world forever.
It is like the thing that has been used globally on every continent forever.
Kayla: And yet I would imagine it's not very common for most people. You have all these other self-care practice, like the face masks or the, you know, going to the gym or doing all these other self-care things. But this is probably one of the most vital one for women and probably one of the most underutilized.
Vanessa: It's so, people hardly know about it. It's not studied. No one can make money off of it. Why would a pharmaceutical study something that takes water in a bowl? Yeah, it wouldn't make them very much money. It's fucking free. It's fucking free. No one's gonna study it. They can't make money off of it. That's why we should all just go do it.
Hundred percent. And if you wanna help, you know. Bankrupt pharmaceutical companies. Then you can go over to Steamy Chick and see what kind of research she's doing, because she's actively gathering stories about how steaming helps people.
Kayla: I will link her as well as all of your links in the episode description.
Vanessa: Yes, there, there's gonna be a lot of links. Another thing that you can do to help connect with your womb space is literally just have a conversation with her.
You can put your hands on your womb space. Be in a meditative state, like kind of whatever you normally do for that. And you can do the triangle shape where your thumbs are together and your fingers are together with your fingers pointing down. And then your thumbs would be probably on your belly button, you know, so you're kind of in a triangle over your womb space.
And you don't have to do it just like that. But that is a way to do it. However you wanna say hello to your womb. Like, Hey girl, what's up? I'm just saying hi, we haven't talked before. I didn't know I could. And then just wait and see what she says back to you. So I am in a book that's gonna be coming out in February.
It's called She Who Flows, and it's all about how to slow down into your divine feminine. That book is coming out in February and the thing that I just said about how to connect with your womb space, I give a whole meditative practice on that in my chapter in that book. And I describe like how to walk through that and how to listen.
To your own, to like the messages that come back from your womb, how to decipher them. Like what are the different Claires that you already have, Claire audience, Claire Sentient. Like how do you decipher these messages? What do you. What do what? I'm not hearing things, but I'm seeing a picture, like what do I do?
So that's what my chapter in that book is about. But like, really just like trying to connect with her in that simple way can be really useful. She can say things back to you, but if she doesn't, that doesn't mean she's not trying. Sometimes it just means. That maybe our clear skills aren't there yet.
Maybe it means our mind body connection pathways that our nervous system aren't there yet. There's a lot of things that can get in the way. It doesn't mean it's not trying, there's just a lot of junk that get in the way. Yeah.
Kayla: I imagine it's like any relationship that communication process is going to improve over time.
The more that you create the safety and the intimacy on a consistent basis.
Vanessa: Yeah, exactly. Like if you, if. Don't have other, if you haven't developed like Claire skills, like Claire audience or Claire Sentience, maybe it's gonna be hard for those to come through in this communication. Or if you don't often receive messages from your body and have a hard time understanding what your body is saying to you, you're gonna have a hard time receiving messages from your womb in that way in this communication as well.
And there's other examples, but those are the two I can think of right now. And so it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. You would just need to elevate, those other things for this to eventually develop.
Kayla: Yeah. So I would love to hear, just as a fun question, what are some of the most magical messages you've got from your own boom space?
Vanessa: Oh my God. Okay. I have to think for a second. A lot of times I talk to my womb about business things 'cause I'm always like, what do I need to be doing? So sometimes it's like, you need to be going and doing this. You need to be going and doing that. Really, I feel like the most magical experiences that I've had weren't verbal things. So I have a lot of different Claire's that I use, like I have Claire audience where I can hear messages.
I have Claire Sentience where I feel feelings in my body, and actually those have been the most powerful ones. So the thing that I talked about in the beginning where I actually felt the portal in the middle of my womb open up and felt the energy flow through that is the most powerful thing that has happened.
But then I combined that with flowing that energy to my heart space because this is another thing that everyone should have is everyone's heart space and womb space are supposed to be energetically connected by a golden thread. So let's just do that now. I didn't know I was gonna do this today.
Everyone imagine a golden thread from your womb space to your heart and just kind of from that thread up and down this golden thread. It can be as thin or as wide as you imagine. It's all good. You can pluck it, it can flow, it can be like a symphony string. Whatever you imagine is absolutely perfect for you.
And this just increases the communication between your heart and your womb space and the heart and the wo. Work in concert. And the more you imagine that, the more they work together and the more you personally work from inner wisdom from these two places together. So then that connects your second chakra and your fourth chakra as well.
And that's really how the female body works in the heightened way.
Kayla: That felt so nice
Vanessa: because really, literally wo every single woman in the world should have their woman, their heart connected with the golden thread. And just imagine it more. And then during this practice, when the golden light from my womb was opening up, it actually became much wider, like several inches wide, and it was flowing to my heart space.
And if you know about the heart chakra, the heart chakra connects down the arms, and that's how hand healing happens is the light from. Your heart chakra flows down your hands and out of your hand chakras. And so then I was able to do high vibrational healing work in combination with my womb and my heart flowing together out of my hands.
So, that's what was a really big thing for me in that moment, and I didn't know it was going to happen. It just happened.
Kayla: So thank you so much for that. So you've given some powerful embodied activations already, so yoni, steaming, pelvic steaming, as well as that chart too. Sacral chakra, golden thread meditation.
Yes.
Vanessa: I could tell you guys today, I have 10 more things I could tell you.
Kayla: So if people do wanna learn more about this, where are some of the best places they can go online to connect with you?
Vanessa: Instagram is where I am at on social media and my podcast. I mean, I'm pretty consistent with my podcast and I have a newsletter, and people can connect and get pretty regular messaging from me on my newsletter, and that's a really great space to see what I have going on. Because I'm usually putting out some sort of something two to four times a month.
That's what I was trying to say. I'm putting out some sort of informational message like, Hey, here's some information about this, and then here's the thing that I have going on. Here's how to work with me or connect with me.
So if you happen to be in Vancouver, Washington, you're lucky 'cause you can just like walk into a shop that I'm in and connect with me.
Kayla: Totally.
Vanessa: Yeah.
Kayla: Well thank you so much for being here. I have loved this conversation and I know the listeners will as well.
Vanessa: Yes.
